Explanation of an English Spiritual Discussion on Creation

Date: 9 September 1986 

(A) Acquiring knowledge through meditation

1. Xian Sheng agreed that religion must definitely move with time. Religion must adapt to the changes in time as different eras brings about different lifestyle, culture and societal needs.
2. Brother Chang Yoong Wah has read a book and said that the teachings in this book are similar to Bahai Faith. Xian Sheng said he was not familiar with Bahai although people have discussed with him on Bahai. Xian Sheng does not want to read about Bahai. He believed in meditating and letting knowledge come to him in meditation. He said there are two ways to acquire knowledge; one is to go and seek out knowledge like from reading and the other is to meditate and ask for the knowledge to come to you. He said that it is possible for words from books in libraries to move into your mind in meditation in a matter of minutes. Xian Sheng said that he preferred the latter way as it is more important.

(B) Creation and Consciousness

1. Back to the topic of Nothing and creation, Xian Sheng said: “It is from Nothing that GOD created everything by thought.”
2. It is important that we know and remember that Xian Sheng has been to Nothing. In Nothing, Xian Sheng can create by thought too. He would put up his hands and everything he wanted would appear.
3. To give us a scope of the things Xian Sheng had experienced in his life as a human, he told us that he has even been to outer space aboard a flying saucer or more popularly known as a UFO.
4. Xian Sheng explained that there is a place in Heaven where the water is like a living entity. He said: “If you jump into the water, the water would come and wash you clean.” He described it as living water.
5. From all of his travels to the various astral planes, he came to the realisation that GOD created everything as living entities. Everything GOD created is living and nothing is considered non-living. He gave the example of a newspaper. We can read the newspaper and then tear up the newspaper as we have higher intelligence than it. The newspaper would not resist the man tearing it up. Man has the highest intelligence among all creation on Earth with the rest having low-level intelligence so that man can dominate on Earth. Nevertheless, everything around us is living.
6. If we look at a piece of paper and study the building blocks of the paper, we will find atoms. Man is also made from atoms of the same nature, atoms from the element of wood. 
7. Xian Sheng agreed with one brother that said scientists discovered that everything is made up of atoms that consist of smaller particles; a nucleus in the centre and electrons orbiting the nucleus. The nucleus is made up of protons and neutrons. 
8. The brother continued by saying that scientists found out that atoms are made up of light energy. This is only partially correct as the photon, which is light energy is absorbed or released by electrons when it moves between orbits. Photons are part of the makeup of atoms. Xian Sheng said that it was true in a way, but it is more than light energy as photons can be further broken down. 
9. Xian Sheng elaborated saying, if we look at an atom, we can see an atom. If we break down the atom into smaller particles, we would see electrons, neutrons and protons. If we continue the breakdown process we would eventually come to a stage where we cannot break it down anymore. It is not light as light can be seen. It is consciousness. Xian Sheng clarified that scientists have not gone to that stage as they have not realised there is something smaller than atoms.¹
10. Xian Sheng has established that everything is made up of atoms and if we were able to break down the composition of atoms, we would eventually see nothing as consciousness is not matter that can be seen. In essence, all matter is made of consciousness. GOD’s consciousness is the core of all matter. 
11. As nothing itself is also a consciousness, all of creation is therefore made up of GOD’s consciousness. GOD created by thought as all matter is created by GOD’s consciousness. 
12. If we have understood the above explanation from Xian Sheng, we would then be able to appreciate the statement: “To you, GOD is everything and yet nothing. To GOD, you are nothing and yet everything. You are GOD’s consciousness”. 
13. One brother ask Xian Sheng the amount of energy that is required to create Earth and all of creation. To the scientifically minded people, the amount of energy GOD has to expend to create this Earth must already be enormous and therefore the energy to create all of creation must be immense.
14. Xian Sheng replied No. The amount of energy is only a speck of dust implying that GOD hardly expends any energy at all. GOD created all of creation by thought. We have to understand that energy is needed to make any product in the physical world. GOD did not create physically but by thought and that is why there is hardly any energy used.
15. Xian Sheng told the followers that the destruction of the Earth meant nothing to him. What is Mahathir, Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher to him? Xian Sheng is trying to emphasise that if the whole of Earth is nothing to him, what is it to GOD then? Recall the part, “To GOD, you are nothing”.
16. A brother argued that they are a part of GOD’s children. Xian Sheng said they are part of GOD’s consciousness.²

(C) Humans are stupid

1. Xian Sheng wanted us to write down the encounter he had with Jesus. He wanted to bring a message to the world. He gave the example of his personal incident.
2. Xian Sheng was arrested and imprisoned in Pudu Jail. He said it was for nothing, as he was later released as there was no valid and legal reason for his arrest in the first place. Xian Sheng joked he was nothing and was arrested for nothing. Xian Sheng, like all creation, can be broken down to nothing too. 
3. Xian Sheng fasted for six and a half days while he was in Pudu jail. He believed that the prison authorities were worried that he would die in prison and set up an Appeal Board to try to mitigate this. The prison authorities could have mistaken his fasting for a hunger strike and his death would result in an Inquiry Board to investigate them for misconduct or mistreatment in prison. There is no other reason as Xian Sheng himself never requested for an Appeal Board and his lawyer was not smart enough to write to the authorities to request it too.
4. The Appeal Board inquired into how Xian Sheng ended up in Pudu Jail. Xian Sheng explained that it all started in 1976 before he received the Prayer to pray to the CREATOR on 4 October 1976. Xian Sheng in one of his Spiritual Revelations met with Jesus and Prophet Muhammad. Xian Sheng described it as a beautiful incident. 
5. Zaki, who represented the Appeal Board asked Xian Sheng what Prophet Muhammad and Jesus said to him. Xian Sheng replied that they said human beings are stupid. 
6. Zaki asked Xian Sheng why he thought humans are stupid. Zaki obviously did not believe Xian Sheng met with Jesus and Prophet Muhammad. He likely believed Xian Sheng concocted that incident and therefore asked why Xian Sheng thought people are stupid and not why Jesus and Prophet Muhammad said so.
7. Nevertheless, Xian Sheng told Zaki that he, the police officers and the big guns who are their bosses are stupid for putting Xian Sheng, an innocent man in jail. 
8. Xian Sheng’s counsellor was startled by his remark that Zaki and those who imprisoned him are stupid. He told Xian Sheng that he cannot say things like that as he assumed that Xian Sheng’s life and fate were in their hands.
9. Xian Sheng retorted that his counsellor does not know what he is talking about. Many people would assume that Zaki or someone higher up like Mahathir controls Xian Sheng’s fate and life. They can decide that Xian Sheng could be imprisoned indefinitely if he does not conform to their whims and wishes. Xian Sheng as a Disciple of GOD knows full well that his life is only in GOD’s hands and nobody’s else. 
10. Xian Sheng continued by saying that he cannot understand the human psyche. We must be aware that Xian Sheng understands humans all too well as he has spent 50 years living as a human. But knowing what he does about our examination in life, he cannot understand why humans would do such stupid things that would doom their souls to Hell. He expressed it by saying he cannot understand why they would arrest him and put him in jail for only trying to preach Baitiangong since they themselves are also praying to the CREATOR whom they call ALLAH. Xian Sheng agreed with the assessment of Jesus and Prophet Muhammad that human beings are stupid.
11. When it comes to the court, the system is stupid. The court does not allow the defendant to talk to his counsellor sitting just in front of him to correct a mistake she made. So he has to pass a note to his counsellor to inform her that the witness is lying and if the counsellor cannot see the note clearly and did not raise it to the attention of the judge, the judge would pass an uninformed judgement.
12. When it comes to Xian Sheng’s suspension without pay as a teacher, the people involved are stupid. The Director of Public Services suspended Xian Sheng without pay for no valid reason. Two and a half years later, they reinstated Xian Sheng without any explanation but reduced his salary by one grade. When Xian Sheng brought the matter before a court, the judge said they cannot intervene with the discretionary powers of the Director of Public Services. The whole affair is stupid because they should not have suspended an innocent man in the first place, to later reinstate him implying that he was not found guilty, but still insist in court on reducing his pay grade for unjustifiable reasons.
13. In the case of the Restricted Residence Act imposed on Xian Sheng to confine his movement to Sentul and Kepong, it was stupid because they imposed it without valid reasons. 217 days later, Xian Sheng received a letter from the Ministry of Home Affairs stating that the Restricted Residence warrant was lifted and he was free to move around. This was verified by his lawyer. So why was the restriction imposed on him in the first place if he was not found guilty 217 days later?
14. Xian Sheng informed his lawyer that he wanted to take action against the Ministry of Home Affairs for his wrongful arrest, wrongful detention and wrongful confinement. But his lawyer said that the government acted on the law where they are immune to any actions against them. 
15. Xian Sheng accepted all the injustices against him as a beautiful experience in life. Xian Sheng sees everything in life as beautiful and considers the opportunity to experience prison life and life under restricted residency, not because he was guilty of anything, but because he prayed to the CREATOR, as a beautiful moment of his life too. Furthermore, they could not harm him, discourage him or break him even after using all the government tools available to them which makes it more beautiful.
16. Xian Sheng also had fun while he was under restricted residency. He would go all the way to the edge of the permittable zone at Jalan Tun Razak and stand there waving to his friends. He would leave for home before the 9:00 pm deadline to be inside his house. His actions frustrated his detractors who had hoped he would be arrested for breaking the unjust laws used against him but Xian Sheng fooled around with them and was never caught. The restriction was meant to control his interactions with his followers, but instead, he invited his followers over to his house to continue with his preaching activities. The restricted residency act used against Xian Sheng failed to curtail his preaching activities but served as an inconvenience only. 
17. The events that transpired are unimportant now but they will go down in the history of Baitiangong. For that Xian Sheng thanked the police, thanked the government and thanked all those involved for arresting him and the supposed punishment by imprisonment in Pudu. 
18. A lesson to be learned here is that the CREATOR gave them Free Consciousness and they are free to do as they like. However, they have misused their Free Consciousness and abused the power invested to them by trying to control Xian Sheng.

(D) Plane of Nothing and GOD

1. Xian Sheng reminded the followers that the Plane of Nothing (herein referred to as Nothing) has got everything, This means that in Nothing, one can create everything. The consciousness that exist in Nothing is so powerful that Xian Sheng can create human beings by thought alone when he is in Nothing. However, when Xian Sheng returned to his human form on Earth, he cannot create any more. 
2. Xian Sheng repeated that he can only create in his Nothing form. In his Earthly form, he cannot create at all. In his human form, he has to live life as a human; he must eat, sleep and do everything a normal human must do, which is nonsensical to Xian Sheng but he has no choice in the matter. He is restricted in his ability when he takes on his human form.  
3. In Nothing, Xian Sheng can create humans with temporary souls; souls that come and go. The human body and the soul are created by Xian Sheng’s thoughts and are part of Xian Sheng’s consciousness. When Xian Sheng dismisses the human, the soul is also dismissed and they return back to Xian Sheng’s consciousness. Only GOD can create permanent souls, immortal souls, souls that lives forever. And only GOD can give instructions to destroy those souls. That is the difference between the souls created by Xian Sheng’s thoughts in Nothing and the souls created by the CREATOR.
4. Xian Sheng reminded the followers that they may not be fully capable of understanding the intricacies of Nothing. That is why we must implicitly trust whatever information Xian Sheng disclosed to us about Nothing and not have the slightest doubt in him.   
5. Xian Sheng reiterated that whenever he talks about GOD, he is talking about GOD the creator of the whole universe, all things that are in it and more than that. He does not refer to any other definitions of god unless he specifically says so.
6. Xian Sheng highlighted his concern about the dangers when they discussed too deep about certain topics like when he talks about his ability to create in Nothing. He is worried that someone may think that Xian Sheng is a god as he is able to create humans in Nothing.³
7. Xian Sheng wanted it to be recorded to make clear to all future followers that he is not god and if anyone were to pray to him as god or as if he were a god, they would go to hell upon death, regardless of how much they love him. He stressed it using terms like “No two ways about it” and ”period”. 
8. Xian Sheng quoted Jesus as an example where people misinterpreted his words too.
   
   

   NIV John 14:10-11: “10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.”

    

9. Xian Sheng explained that it is GOD’s consciousness in Jesus and not GOD literally in Jesus. This also applies to us as we have GOD’s consciousness in us too. But it does not mean that we bring GOD everywhere with us, including when we go to the toilet and expect GOD to sit down there and smell along with us.
10. Xian Sheng has tried his level best to explain to the followers that GOD⁴ is both love and hate. GOD created Heaven and Hell. Heaven is love whereas Hell is hate. Heaven is happiness whereas Hell is sadness. But GOD is not only a simple duality as described by the extreme difference of words like love and hate. GOD cannot be described using all the words in all the dictionaries put together. Xian Sheng gave the example that if GOD is crazy is true, then GOD is all kinds of crazy and more than that. In other words, GOD is not just black and white, but all the shades of grey and more than that. More than that refers to things that are unknowable to us. Likewise, Nothing is indescribable too but Nothing is a part of GOD’s consciousness and not comparable to GOD at all. 

(E) Where is the CREATOR?

1. In order to help us visualise creation, Nothing and the location of the CREATOR, Xian Sheng gave this simple analogy of a scientist performing an experiment.
2. A scientist puts all the gases inside a large chamber/box. The scientist started an explosion and all the gases excited by the energy of the explosion start forming complex elements leading to matter being formed. The chamber plays an important role in containing all the gases and the new matter formed within. Xian Sheng’s reference of a line of Nothing can be taken to refer to the chamber and if the body of the chamber is transparent, we would be able to see all the particles floating and moving within. If the scientist is able to control the movement of these particles using some electrical or magnetic fields (in the Creation process, Xian Sheng tells us that all matter has predetermined consciousness to guide them), then these particles can be guided to move in an orderly manner following certain patterns. If we imagined that we are inside one of these particles and we look upwards and outwards, we would see the body of the chamber or Nothing. What is beyond the chamber or Nothing would be the scientist. The CREATOR is the greatest scientist of all scientists and more than that.
3. (From a later part of the discussion) This simple visualisation using the human scientist who is outside of his experiments is an analogy to the CREATOR outside of HIS creation. One cannot be used this example to start analysing the CREATOR by comparing what or how the scientist conducted his creation experiment. The CREATOR is beyond any comparison as HE created the whole universe and more than that by thought and therefore beyond human’s comprehension to analyse. This visualisation merely demonstrates that the CREATOR is beyond HIS creation. Xian Sheng searched all of Nothing and he could not find the CREATOR.  

(F) Acceptance of the CREATOR

1. We can give any name to the CREATOR but that is not an important issue.
2. The Jews call HIM JEHOVAH, the Muslims call HIM ALLAH, the Tamils call HIM KADAVUL and we call HIM TIAN GONG or any other name.
3. What is important is that we accept the existence of a CREATOR of the whole universe. By doing so, the CREATOR will accept us too. But if we do not accept HIM, how would we expect the CREATOR to accept us back. 
4. Some would argue that GOD is naive to only accept those who accept HIM. Xian Sheng gave the following scenario to illustrate his point. Xian Sheng is the owner and the host of this house. If Xian Sheng does not accept Brother Ong and similarly Brother Ong does not accept Xian Sheng, is it naive of Xian Sheng not to allow Brother Ong to enter his house. Brother Ong would need to accept Xian Sheng first. Xian Sheng would also need to accept Brother Ong for Brother Ong to enter his house. Xian Sheng is ultimately the host of his house.   
5. The important issue is that acceptance must be there. At the very least, we would need to accept the existence of the CREATOR.

(G) The Apostle Creed

I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried;
He descended into hell; on the third day He rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from there He will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Holy Catholic Church,
the communion of Saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.

1. Xian Sheng referred to the Apostle Creed as the statement of Christian belief.
2. Xian Sheng said that Jesus did not say those words in the Apostle Creed.⁵

(H) The New Testament

1. The Bible (New Testament) was written after Jesus’ death. The Gospel of Mark probably dates from AD 66–70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90, and John AD 90–110.
2. The New Testament was originally written in the Greek language. Jesus spoke in the dialect called Aramaic. The written language of the Jews is Hebrew. The authors of the Gospels were supposed to be the Apostles of Jesus but none of them could have written so fluently in the Greek language as they are mostly illiterate, with the exception of Matthew who is a tax collector.
3. The 27 books that formed the present New Testament was believed to be compiled during the Council of Nicea under Emperor Constantine in AD 325. 
4. Xian Sheng referred to the Council Myth from the late ninth-century Greek manuscript called the Synodicon Vetus. The text is as follows:
   
   

   The council made manifest the canonical and apocryphal books in the following manner: Placing them by the side of the divine table in the house of God, they prayed, entreating the Lord that the divinely inspired books might be found upon the table, and the spurious ones underneath; and it so happened.

5. Xian Sheng did not believe the book automatically sorted itself out by divine intervention. Someone had to have entered the locked room and removed the books they considered apocryphal from the table and laid them on the floor.
6. The church accepted only 4 gospels from the lot.⁶

(I) No original manuscripts or texts

1. The Roman Emperor Constantine burned all the books he considered Apocryphal.
2. The Chinese Emperor Qin Shi Huang better known as Shih Huang Ti burned all the Confucian classics in 213 BCE.
3. As a result, there are no original manuscripts or original texts to reconstruct history and the teachings accurately. Scholars and theologians had to formulate the history and the teachings using whatever remaining texts available to them. 
4. Xian Sheng joked that we cannot burn books as he records his speeches in tape recorders. He hoped we do not start burning tape recorders or demagnetising them.

 (J) The Coffee Shop at the end of the sky

1. This event took place during the period known as Spiritual Revelation before Xian Sheng knew about his divine nature.
2. One evening, Xian Sheng’s astral self⁷ went to a place that looks like a broken coffee shop floating among the clouds in the sky. He was unsure of the date as he was constantly experiencing Spiritual Revelations during that period of his life.
3. An elderly man waved his hands to invite Xian Sheng into the shop. He offered Xian Sheng a cup of what he called heavenly wine.
4. Xian Sheng had recently quit his habitual alcoholic drinking and here an elderly man was offering his a cup of wine. Xian Sheng instinctively declined his offer.
5. The elderly man insisted that Xian Sheng must try the wine. Xian Sheng accepted his offer as he had been drinking alcohol day and night for so long, what harm would one more cup of wine do.  
6. Xian Sheng raised his hands to accept the cup but another cup magically appeared in his hands. The elderly man did not give Xian Sheng his cup.
7. Xian Sheng proceeded to scoop up wine from a trough filled with heavenly wine and drank it. He looked down at the trough and things started turning and turning and growing ever bigger with each turn. 
8. Xian Sheng felt he was no longer inside the coffee shop in the sky but was outside and beyond the universe looking down at the whole universe swirling in front of him. The trough of wine had transformed into the whole universe and Xian Sheng was looking down at the entire universe. 
9. Xian Sheng came to the revelation that the whole universe is nothing but a speck of dust in the scheme of things in creation.